April 10, 2005

And I want it right now

fpi_glasses.jpg A followup to this recent post by my dear wife.

She's right. Americans are squeamish about pain; Germans are squeamish about painkillers. Asking for painkilers, unless you're clearly in agony, is seen as moral weakness.

Exaggeration? Two data points.

(1) Eight hours after double hernia surgery, lying in the hospital bed. Nurse comes in. Hello nurse: can I have something for the pain, please? Nurse frowns. Well... we have eebu proFEEN. You can have one.

Pause while I process this. Eebu... Ibuprofin. Known to my people as Tylenol. We buy them at the drugstore in big American bottles, 200 at a time. I'm post-op for abdominal surgery and she's offering me a Tylenol. One Tylenol.

But do not argue with the German nurse, Doug, so "Yes, please, I would like an Eebuprofeen."

A couple of hours pass. Food is served. Let me add here that the service at the hospital -- a small one, in a German town of about 20,000 people -- was excellent in every other respect. Everyone was professional, the surgeon came to visit me twice, and when I woke up hungry at midnight the nurses scrounged up a snack for me. When food got served, I ate it and my plate got whisked away... no staring for two hours at the congealing remains of a poached egg. I asked for tea, got a big pot of really hot water and a selection of tea bags. And two weeks later, when I had some mysterious post-op symptoms, I called the hospital and the surgeon called me back (in Romania!) half an hour later. It's a good system.

Except: after dinner I ask the nurse again. Maybe something for the pain, please?

A deeper frown, this time. "I see that you have had an eebuprofeen already!"

I hang my head. Yes, it is true. I am weak. It's been nearly twelve hours since my abdominal surgery, and I want ANOTHER Tylenol. "Yes, please."

She breaks out a little push-packet of four pills. "Well. Here are eebuprofeens. Take one now. You can take another one in the morning." She looks at me a little dubiously -- who knows what the foreigner will do? Can he be trusted to handle three of these pills? -- and then puts them on the night table.

Can I just say? My dear wife's point about allowing a little pain... enough to keep you on your back when you should be on your back; enough to keep you from doing something stupid -- is valid. But the night after abdominal surgery, this is so not an issue. You could be doped to the gills on Flintstones Chewable Morphine, and you still would be lucky to manage a slow shuffle to the bathroom and back.

After the surgery, I stayed with my in-laws for three days before flying back to Romania. (Which was probably not such a great idea, but that's another story.) Later, my mother-in-law said to my wife:

"Yes, Doug was in a lot of pain! He was taking painkillers!"

(2) Two years ago, I made the mistake of going to a German dentist. I did not know then about the "anesthesia is a luxury" rule. These little cultural differences! Who can keep track of them all!

I'm going to make a long story short by saying, there are four words you really don't want to hear from your dentist:

"Now... be a hero!"

Possibly I've had two unusual encounters? German readers are welcome to comment.

(My limited experience with Romanian medicine is that they're closer to Americans than Germans in this respect. But it's very limited experience, and I welcome correction.)

Posted by douglas at April 10, 2005 12:10 AM
Comments

Minor correction: Tylenol is acetaminophen aka paracetamol, not ibuprofen.

Posted by: Carlos at April 10, 2005 12:00 AM

I feel for you. I really do.

After I had abdominal surgery, I had a morphine pump for 3 days, and I was still in agony. My surgeon sent me home with hydrocodone, and that didn't even work. I can't imagine being given Ibuprofen...

Posted by: Nat W. at April 10, 2005 01:30 AM

Ouch. I feel, or rather, have felt, your pain. The second hernia surgery I has was with the Shouldice method, meaning it was done with local anaesthetic. Once that wore off, within half an hour of surgery, all they'd give me was tylenol.

Then the sneezing fit started.

Posted by: James at April 10, 2005 03:59 AM

Hi Doug, you can be glad that you were not in Spain. There is a doctor who does surgery without chemical anesthesia, from varicosity over childbirth to heart surgery. He is doing psicological anesthesia, called NOESITHERAPY.

check out
el mundo
or his english web page

Posted by: Maria at April 10, 2005 08:39 PM

I'm afraid I'm with you on this one, Doug. Sorry, Claudia. Post-surgery ibuprofen??? Ack, eek, and owwwww.

Posted by: Lorraine at April 11, 2005 12:01 AM

I had a hernia repaired fifteen years ago, and my experience was like yours: overnight in the hospital, bedridden for days, and in really serious pain for about a week afterward. Ever since, I have cut slack for chronic pain sufferers who get addicted; coulda been me.

Then I had another hernia fixed last year. This time it was outpatient surgery. I was up and walking within a few hours. I used one or two of the Vicodin they gave me, and that was all I needed.

I'm sure German medicine is good quality, but is it technically up to date? Because my difference seems to be newer technique.

OTOH, I'd feel a lot better about a new mother staying on in a German hospital than a US hospital. US hospitals have a substantial and almost entirely avoidable post-op infection problem. Every health-care pro I know says _stay_ _out_ _of_ _hospitals_.

Posted by: Rich Rostrom at April 13, 2005 12:59 AM

Rich -- Doug's surgery was out-patient too and yes, the technique is indeed up to date. His surgeon is actually a minor celebrity, he flies around the world to fix up soccer players who proceed to play to following weekend (always against doctor's orders, of course).

Doug had to stay overnight because he had an adverse reaction to the anesthesia administered for the surgery.

Posted by: claudia at April 13, 2005 06:29 PM

"OTOH, I'd feel a lot better about a new mother staying on in a German hospital than a US hospital. US hospitals have a substantial and almost entirely avoidable post-op infection problem. Every health-care pro I know says _stay_ _out_ _of_ _hospitals_."

It's all those missing sponges and Thin Mints.

Posted by: Bernard Guerrero at April 13, 2005 11:11 PM

Ah, I know all about the lack of pain medication! I feel the pain! When I gave birth in Kragujevac back in 2001, I had 36 hours of hard labour and they kept asking if I wanted to suck on a slice of orange to relieve my frustrations. ...

Noone seemed to understand that I didn't want an orange, that a nice shot of morphine or an epidural would have done it for me. LOL.

Posted by: Ange. at April 14, 2005 05:21 AM
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